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Pros said stop wasting your time with Adobe Premiere because it’s too buggy, perverse, prickly and uncooperative. The free version of DaVinci Resolve ran great and had an amazing collection of tools. Topaz Video AI (for upscaling, denoising, stabilizing jitters, enhancing, deinterlacing and restoration), on the other hand was turning into a hardware monster. It would take 20 hours to process a 2 minute 4K clip on my Dell (CPU i7-11700 @ 2.50GHz -- 16.0 GB RAM -- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (6GB) -- Windows 11). Spent $3K on a Dell R15 (CPU i9-13900KF 3.00 GHz -- 64 GB RAM -- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 (24GB) -- Windows 11) but it went belly up on the first week. Dell tech support tried new BIOS, drivers, setting limits in File>Preferences>Processing but the computer would only run for a couple minutes before overheating, blanking out and re-booting. Dell support technician finally said “get your money back – this computer might not run right for weeks or months!” NVIDIA tech support said “GeForce cards are optimized for gaming but RTX 4000 Ada Cards are much better for rendering”. Next machine I bought had the recommended NVIDIA RTX GPU and it’s been running like a top.

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Apr 12, 2025 at 11:20 PM
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Yikes, sounds like a nightmare! Glad you're finally up and running.
Cheers,
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Apr 13, 2025 at 12:10 AM
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lemmy shoyu wrote:
Pros said stop wasting your time with Adobe Premiere because it’s too buggy, perverse, prickly and uncooperative. The free version of DaVinci Resolve ran great and had an amazing collection of tools. Topaz Video AI (for upscaling, denoising, stabilizing jitters, enhancing, deinterlacing and restoration), on the other hand was turning into a hardware monster. It would take 20 hours to process a 2 minute 4K clip on my Dell (CPU i7-11700 @ 2.50GHz -- 16.0 GB RAM -- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (6GB) -- Windows 11). Spent $3K on a Dell R15 (CPU i9-13900KF 3.00 GHz -- 64
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I bet you are editing log files (10 bit) so you need to buy the paid version Resolve that has HW acceleration for 10bit file is as simple as this. Also select the Nvidia HW encoding when delivering.

I edit in Resolve 4k 10bit 120fps and 8k RAW 60fps on a gaming notebook i9 13900H, 64 GB, GeForce RTX 4090 16 GB



Apr 13, 2025 at 04:11 AM
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action99 wrote:
I bet you are editing log files (10 bit) so you need to buy the paid version Resolve that has HW acceleration for 10bit file is as simple as this. Also select the Nvidia HW encoding when delivering.

I edit in Resolve 4k 10bit 120fps and 8k RAW 60fps on a gaming notebook i9 13900H, 64 GB, GeForce RTX 4090 16 GB


You are absolutely right. After I got the new machine, I got the paid version of DaVinci Resolve and was able to play 10 bit -- Canon Log 3 -- BT.709 -- H.265 / HEVC – 120 FPS. Sometimes but not always I generate proxies. The old machines ran DaVinci Resolve OK but the Topaz Labs programs processed for a really long time. I’m glad your rig works for you but clearly you know what you’re doing. Your motion, colors, drone, POV are all top level. We all see and hear experts on the interwebs talking “24P, cinematic”, etc., but when we watch your edits it’s like “OK! Now I know what everybody is shooting for.”



Apr 13, 2025 at 06:25 AM
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action99 wrote:
I bet you are editing log files (10 bit) so you need to buy the paid version Resolve that has HW acceleration for 10bit file is as simple as this. Also select the Nvidia HW encoding when delivering.

I edit in Resolve 4k 10bit 120fps and 8k RAW 60fps on a gaming notebook i9 13900H, 64 GB, GeForce RTX 4090 16 GB


Hi action99,

Where exactly do you select the Nvidia HW encoding when delivering?

Rudy



Apr 13, 2025 at 07:51 AM
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Rudy Pohl wrote:
Hi action99,

Where exactly do you select the Nvidia HW encoding when delivering?

Rudy


On
Fromat:
Codec:
Encoder: Auto

I change Encoder: Nvidia as it may pick Intel or even worse go to Native that is SW only afaik



Apr 13, 2025 at 09:06 AM
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lemmy shoyu wrote:
You are absolutely right. After I got the new machine, I got the paid version of DaVinci Resolve and was able to play 10 bit -- Canon Log 3 -- BT.709 -- H.265 / HEVC – 120 FPS. Sometimes but not always I generate proxies. The old machines ran DaVinci Resolve OK but the Topaz Labs programs processed for a really long time. I’m glad your rig works for you but clearly you know what you’re doing. Your motion, colors, drone, POV are all top level. We all see and hear experts on the interwebs talking “24P, cinematic”, etc.,
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Cool, great that it works. Btw your old machine with only 6 GB VRAM was definitely in for un upgrade as 6 GB is too limiting even for 4k if you use NR, motion blur, speed warp, etc. 24 GB VRAM is ideal.

One tip is that instead of creating proxy you can set: Playback -> Timeline Playback Resolution: Half or Quarter. When you play back it lowers the resolution but when you are stopped it is full res based on your timeline resolution 8k or 4k. It works very well for 8K RAW, it helps a bit also with 10bit 4k material but not as much at least on my rig.



Apr 13, 2025 at 09:11 AM
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lemmy shoyu wrote:
Pros said stop wasting your time with Adobe Premiere because it’s too buggy, perverse, prickly and uncooperative. The free version of DaVinci Resolve ran great and had an amazing collection of tools. Topaz Video AI (for upscaling, denoising, stabilizing jitters, enhancing, deinterlacing and restoration), on the other hand was turning into a hardware monster. It would take 20 hours to process a 2 minute 4K clip on my Dell (CPU i7-11700 @ 2.50GHz -- 16.0 GB RAM -- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (6GB) -- Windows 11). Spent $3K on a Dell R15 (CPU i9-13900KF 3.00 GHz -- 64
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Honestly-

It’s why Apple is the best bet. Hardware and software that were designed together. Also Apple Silicon is unmatched by Intel which is crazy since Intel had the market cornered for so long!!





Apr 13, 2025 at 09:12 AM
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action99 wrote:
One tip is that instead of creating proxy you can set: Playback -> Timeline Playback Resolution: Half or Quarter. When you play back it lowers the resolution but when you are stopped it is full res based on your timeline resolution 8k or 4k. It works very well for 8K RAW, it helps a bit also with 10bit 4k material but not as much at least on my rig.


Thank you!




Apr 13, 2025 at 09:30 AM
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RustyRus wrote:
Honestly-

It’s why Apple is the best bet. Hardware and software that were designed together. Also Apple Silicon is unmatched by Intel which is crazy since Intel had the market cornered for so long!!



Quite a few years ago when 4K was the latest and greatest a pro said get an Apple computer to run Final Cut Pro even if that’s all you use it for. Apple might have dropped support of FCP right after that sending users to other platforms?



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action99 wrote:
On
Fromat:
Codec:
Encoder: Auto

I change Encoder: Nvidia as it may pick Intel or even worse go to Native that is SW only afaik


Hi action99,

I Googled this question: "Why use nvidia encoder exporting from davinci resolve:?
I got this answer from Google AI Overview:

AI Overview

"Using the Nvidia NVENC encoder for exporting from DaVinci Resolve significantly speeds up the encoding process, particularly for fast exports. NVENC offloads the encoding workload from the CPU to the GPU, resulting in much faster export times without compromising quality. This is especially beneficial for larger projects or when using fast preset options."

Does this sound correct to you?

Rudy



Apr 13, 2025 at 02:40 PM
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Dave suggested I cross post my questions to this thread, since there are more video shooters here.


Apr 14, 2025 at 06:12 PM
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lemmy shoyu wrote:
Quite a few years ago when 4K was the latest and greatest a pro said get an Apple computer to run Final Cut Pro even if that’s all you use it for. Apple might have dropped support of FCP right after that sending users to other platforms?


uhh..... this is completely untrue, FCP gets updates, maybe not at the pace of other software packages, but even then, it's good for semi to advance editors. It's still smoking fast on ancient M1's. I know a lot of folks like davinci or premiere as they have very advanced features, however FCP offers plenty, and the performance is overlooked or inaccessible for windows users. The workflow is so much better if you dont want to spend all day editing.



Apr 15, 2025 at 11:10 AM
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Charlie N wrote:
uhh..... this is completely untrue, FCP gets updates, maybe not at the pace of other software packages, but even then, it's good for semi to advance editors. It's still smoking fast on ancient M1's. I know a lot of folks like davinci or premiere as they have very advanced features, however FCP offers plenty, and the performance is overlooked or inaccessible for windows users. The workflow is so much better if you dont want to spend all day editing.


Sorry! I very rarely use Mac and my memories haven’t proven to be very accurate but there was some kind of drama that soured some users on Apple. This is from Wikipedia:

“Final Cut Pro X was unveiled on April 12, 2011 at the NAB Show, and released to the Mac App Store on June 21, 2011 along with new versions of Motion and Compressor. Final Cut Pro X was fully-rewritten in 64-bit, with a new interface, workflow enhancements and improved automation, and new features such as ColorSync integration, a resolution-independent playback system, and Core Animation-based system scaling. As part of the release, Final Cut Studio was discontinued, along with Color, Soundtrack Pro, and DVD Studio Pro.
The reaction was extremely mixed, with veteran film editor Walter Murch initially refusing to use it, citing a lack of features compared to Final Cut Pro 7. Support for translating timelines from Final Cut Pro 7 to Final Cut Pro X was notably missing, requiring editors to preserve a copy of Final Cut Pro 7 to edit older projects. An online petition asking Apple to continue development of Final Cut Pro 7 or to sell it to a third-party gathered 1,600 signatures within a week. Some of the missing features in Final Cut Pro X that were essential for professional video production included the lack of an edit decision list (EDL), XML and Open Media Framework Interchange (OMF) support, the inability to import projects created in previous versions of Final Cut Pro, the absence of a multicam editing tool, missing support for third-party I/O hardware output, and videotape capture being limited to FireWire video devices, including capture with third-party hardware. These missing features were addressed within the first six months of the product's life. EDL export, a product of the early days of videotape editing, is now supported through third-party software and creating an AAF (a newer version of OMF) for passing projects to Pro Tools through X2Pro. In a 2015 interview, Murch was much less critical of the tool and suggested that he was interested in using it. Other movie producers,[who?] have agreed that Final Cut Pro X's initial shortcomings have been fixed.”

Final Cut Pro Wikipedia®



Apr 15, 2025 at 04:38 PM
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Life has been busy between work, travel, and other things... but in the process I wound up picking up a S*** FX3 (sorry, I know, but I'd always had a bit of lust/curiosity for it).

Took it on a recent trip and I did enjoy the shooting experience, though of course I've come to learn there are tradeoffs. The FX3 feels better in some respects, while the R5II feels better in others (removing the obvious advantages in photo mode, which isn't even worth comparing).

If anything it shows me how good the R5II actually is as a hybrid and viable video camera, especially when stacked up against a camera that, for years, has been held in high regard by a lot of independent videographers and filmmakers.

Here is a rough comparison video using a few quick clips. Did my best to match everything, ranging from focal length, to settings and codecs (best non-RAW video codec either camera can offer).

Note: I mistakenly wrote that Noise Reduction on the R5II was OFF, while in fact it was not. It's the default noise reduction for C-Log 2 in Color Profile 2.

Again, extremely unscientific, and I'd like to do some more detailed comparisons when time allows... but thought I'd share.

Can you tell which one is which? Spoiler alert: I tell you at the end.
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Apr 15, 2025 at 06:54 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
. . . gimbals, tripods/heads, cages . . .


Props to you rock steady shooters that can hand hold. I’m too jerky and therefore on a tripod most of the time. The real fluid heads are very expensive but in 2010 I got a reasonably priced "Manfrotto 516 Pro Video Head" from Amazon. It worked OK and helped smooth out the jitters a little. You may not be able to find the exact item new anymore but they are easy to find of eBay.

516 Fluid Head Manfrotto @ eBay

Jan Wegener and Glenn Bartley are endorsing FlexShooter Pro (models cost $600 - $1K) but please keep mind Jan shoots video with 600mm lens hand held so us jerky mortals can't expect comparable results.

The Only Tripod Head You'll Ever Need? @ youTube

FlexShooter Pro Ball Head with Arca-Type Locking Knob Receiver @ B&H

Original FlexShooter Pro @ Amazon

You guys probably already know to hang something heavy under the center of your tripod to anchor it securely but it’s worth remembering because it can make a big difference.

tripod hook

here's a minute you'll never get back



Apr 16, 2025 at 11:53 AM
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Another quick, unscientific comparison video but slightly more focused. Mostly comparing results in a higher dynamic range situation and stepping through different stages of the color process. Some interesting differences in looks between both, even when using similar settings through the grading process.




Apr 17, 2025 at 07:11 PM
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Belted Kingfisher Female at Ted Shanks Conservation Area. Pike County, Missouri. April 8, 2025.
She gave me some nice views and turned around before she flew away, chattering as she left.
R5 MKII RF 200-800 4k Handheld on monopod from truck cab.




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A small clip this morning of the mallards at our pond this morning. It is fun to have them return each year. I used the R1 + 100-300mm handheld.




Apr 20, 2025 at 08:51 AM
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RobAmy wrote:
A small clip this morning of the mallards at our pond this morning. It is fun to have them return each year. I used the R1 + 100-300mm handheld.



Rob,

Really nice, and hand held to boot!

Dave




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