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p.6 #1 · Sony A7RVI


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Huh? Why the personal attack? No place for that. What matters is the sensor scan speed not your personal attacks. If the sensor scan speed is 16ms that is nothing like the 4ms from the A1 II. Some people will find the 16ms useful for many things but for fast action like often happens with wildlife and sports the electronic shutter at 16ms will lead to motion distortion. You will still need to switch to the mechanical shutter and 10 fps when you shoot faster action. That won't be the end of the world but it won't compete with...Show more →

Sorry I'm just pointing out the facts, as I see it in multiple threads. . Go back and read at how many posts you wrote in this thread to argue why it can't be fully stacked sensor, and why it must be partially stacked, and why others are wrong and ahead of themselves. Now you realizing that the rumor is trending to show you could be wrong, you are moving the goalposts to say it's just a subjective naming?

And I never said it would compete with A1 sensors. That's in fact my point that fully stacked sensors can be used for less spec-ed cameras as in my turbo engine example. But you somehow can't comprehend that, or rather don't want to comprehend that because it's counter to your position of it's partially stacked sensor. So you chose to argue the opposite that less spec-ed cameras will not use fully stacked sensors because it's too expensive. I just didn't bother to argue with you afterwards since I know you will move your positions while pretending you didn't, as you just did again here.

That's all I'm pointing out with the term "wiggle out". If you have a different phrase to use to mean the same behavior, you can suggest.

Edit: To not make another post, I will conclude with the following. You are always the one (not me) to initiate response to my posts and make opposing arguments, and you keep on wiggling your positions. You can play the political game and play the victim and divert all you want, but what you wrote don't lie. It has gone from "it has to be partially stacked because fully stacked is too expensive" to "it's just a name they can call either way" to something else now.

So my assessment is fair and honest. On the other hand, repeatedly characterizing an act of calling out people "wiggling out in debates" as personal attacks is dishonest.

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p.6 #2 · Sony A7RVI


tctmp wrote:
Sorry I'm just pointing out the facts, as I see it in multiple threads. . Go back and read at how many posts you wrote in this thread to argue why it can't be fully stacked sensor, and why it must be partially stacked, and why others are wrong and ahead of themselves. Now you realizing that the rumor is trending to show you could be wrong, you are moving the goalposts to say it's just a subjective naming?

And I never said it would compete with A1 sensors. That's in fact my point that fully stacked sensors can be used...Show more →

**A response for all but tcmp to skip*** You made your post about me and not about the rumors: that is pointless and mean spirited. This isn't the first time you have launched personal attacks at me. I don't know why you have a hate on for me, and I don't really care if you do, but please let's keep it about the camera not about me. Personal attacks are not only against the rules they are hugely off topic.

Now back to the topic, I still think it will not be a fully stacked sensor if it has a 16ms sensor scan speed. That would be by far the slowest fully stacked sensor ever made. That would be the same speed as the completely unstacked sensor in the Canon R5. The slowest sensor scan speed of a fully stacked sensor in a Sony camera has been 6ms (in the A9 1 and A9 II), and Sony built that sensor ages ago. The more modern but still old fully stacked sensor in the A1 and A1 II has a 4ms fully stacked sensor. One has to ask if it is a fully stacked sensor, why is it so much slower than the previous fully stacked sensors?

One, it seems to me likely possibility, is that the sensor isn't fully stacked, but partially stacked, and Sony for their own cameras has exactly one partially stacked sensor and what is it's sensor scan speed? 16ms. It seems to me that given the paucity of information we know that this sensor very well may be partially stacked and that fits with the 16ms sensor scan speed that is rumored and a 16ms sensor scan speed just doesn't fit with a fully stacked sensor. Why would a fully stacked sensor be that slow?

All of that said, I also stand by what I said previously: what really matters is the sensor scan speed. Whether it is fully stacked or partially stacked won't matter one iota for how the camera performs. What matters is how fast the sensor scans and a 16ms sensor scan speed is a really nice bump in performance for the electronic shuttter, but it won't take it into the territory of cameras with 3-6ms sensor scan speeeds and that is true whether it is completely unstacked, partially stacked or fully stacked. The designation of the sensor doesn't matter. What matters is how it performs.
May 05, 2026 at 11:02 AM
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p.6 #3 · Sony A7RVI


I used to spend time on audio/hi-fi forums and it seemed like every other post turned into an argument. Thanks for reminding me that I'm not missing anything.


May 05, 2026 at 12:46 PM
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p.6 #4 · Sony A7RVI


So from Sony users perspective.... A7r6 is competition for Z8 ?
Because for me my Z7 II never made replacement to compete with Sony A7r5
May 05, 2026 at 01:08 PM
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p.6 #5 · Sony A7RVI


BillD208 wrote:
I used to spend time on audio/hi-fi forums and it seemed like every other post turned into an argument. Thanks for reminding me that I'm not missing anything.

However, the discussions were usually about equipment that existed.
Were you one of those guys with the $7000 speaker wires?

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May 05, 2026 at 02:00 PM
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p.6 #6 · Sony A7RVI


PIOK wrote:
So from Sony users perspective.... A7r6 is competition for Z8 ?
Because for me my Z7 II never made replacement to compete with Sony A7r5

I'd say the Z8 II since neither exist yet and Z9/Z8 tech is getting old by now.

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May 05, 2026 at 02:01 PM
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p.6 #7 · Sony A7RVI


My original thought was that this would be partially stacked. But I have seen plenty of threads where it is discussed the A1 line is too expensive. A fully stacked sensor in the a7Rvi would put Sony more competitive to Canon and Nikon without leaving as bad a taste for those that paid $7k for an a1 ii. It also generates more hype than just dropping the price on the a1ii. The Z8 is currently $3,400 and the R5 ii is $3,900. A $5k 67mp fully stacked camera still sounds expensive, but not as bad as a $7k 50mp fully stacked camera. 1" Sony cameras have all ben stacked for a decade now, it is past time this technology trickles down to more mainstream FF, not just Sony flagship.

No matter what it should be an interesting launch.
May 05, 2026 at 02:04 PM
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p.6 #8 · Sony A7RVI


EB-1 wrote:
However, the discussions were usually about equipment that existed.
Were you one of those guys with the $7000 speaker wires?

EBH

Nope. I have a great sounding system built for nickels on the dollar (maybe pennies compared to some of the folks over there).
May 05, 2026 at 02:34 PM
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p.6 #9 · Sony A7RVI


PIOK wrote:
So from Sony users perspective.... A7r6 is competition for Z8 ?
Because for me my Z7 II never made replacement to compete with Sony A7r5

No, as rumored with a 16ms sensor scan speed vs. the 3ms sensor scan speed of the Z8, the A7r VI will not be competitive in electronic shutter mode for fast action with the Z8.
May 05, 2026 at 04:06 PM
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p.6 #10 · Sony A7RVI


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My original thought was that this would be partially stacked. But I have seen plenty of threads where it is discussed the A1 line is too expensive. A fully stacked sensor in the a7Rvi would put Sony more competitive to Canon and Nikon without leaving as bad a taste for those that paid $7k for an a1 ii. It also generates more hype than just dropping the price on the a1ii. The Z8 is currently $3,400 and the R5 ii is $3,900. A $5k 67mp fully stacked camera still sounds expensive, but not as bad as a $7k 50mp fully...Show more →

The trouble is as rumored with a 16ms sensor scan speed it won't be able to shoot fast action in electronic shutter mode with the high frames per second that brings anything like the 3ms sensor scan speed Z8 or the 6ms sensor scan speed R5 II. I agree Sony should make a camera that competes with those cameras, but this isn't it--at least as it is rumored with the faster than before but still pretty slow in comparison to the Z8 and R5 II sensor scan speed.
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p.6 #11 · Sony A7RVI


I see it's important for some people to decide and agree on which Canon/Nikon camera the latest R should compete with.

I am not sure this question needs an answer. Start with asking: which Canon or Nikon model the A7RV is competing with? My answer is none. They do not have a high-resolution IQ-above-all-else offering in their lineup. This didn't stop the A7RV from being a successful model for Sony.

Therefore, regardless of what % of the rumored specs are true, it's not the end of the world for the A7R6 to continue to exist in its own carved out niche. In fact, I would argue it's a GOOD thing. Differentiate or die.

The second concern I see repeated here is the cannibalization of A1 sales. That's a trivial problem for Sony to address. There are plenty of features on the periphery to sacrifice (like the ethernet port, dedicated dials on the left, etc) that collectively can make the A1 a better choice for a working pro.
May 05, 2026 at 04:26 PM
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p.6 #12 · Sony A7RVI


old-gregg wrote:
I see it's important for some people to decide and agree on which Canon/Nikon camera the latest R should compete with.

I am not sure this question needs an answer. Start with asking: which Canon or Nikon model the A7RV is competing with? My answer is none. They do not have a high-resolution IQ-above-all-else offering in their lineup. This didn't stop the A7RV from being a successful model for Sony.

Therefore, regardless of what % of the rumored specs are true, it's not the end of the world for the A7R6 to continue to exist in its own carved out niche. In...Show more →

That's why I wanted Nikon Z7 III ... something like Sony a7r5 ( + just a bit better )
May 05, 2026 at 05:08 PM
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Fortunately, most of us don’t need the A7Rvi. As pointed out in this thread, we have a wealth of choices. The only reason I would even consider it is that I have a number of Sony lenses and zero bodies. I’m about to sell my M11 Monochrom, so no Leica digital bodies but lots of lenses.
May 05, 2026 at 07:10 PM
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p.6 #14 · Sony A7RVI


It's critical for me, hence the high level of interest. Unfortunately only Sony makes the 60+ MP sensors.
45-50MP is so 2015 and my time is running out.

EBH
May 05, 2026 at 09:59 PM
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p.6 #15 · Sony A7RVI


EB-1 wrote:
It's critical for me, hence the high level of interest. Unfortunately only Sony makes the 60+ MP sensors.
45-50MP is so 2015 and my time is running out.

EBH
Ahhh..I understand that last sentence. The X2D and X2Dii are the reason(s) that I sold my A7Rv and A7CR. They are also behind the sale of my M11M. If I purchase the.A7Rvi, it is because of the fact that my wife was using the A7CR.. Ignoring many excellent film cameras, the X2Dii and the newer XCD lenses make up the most satisfying digital system that I’ve owned, but then again, I no longer shoot sports, nor fancy nice pictures of flying dinosaurs.
May 05, 2026 at 11:02 PM
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p.6 #16 · Sony A7RVI


I mean in 35mm format. Right now I only care about the 200-600 or some similar zoom lens. We'll have to see about that 100-400/4 if it takes a TC well.

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May 05, 2026 at 11:16 PM
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p.6 #17 · Sony A7RVI


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The EVF of the a7rV is always behind the times, so even the 10 FPS physically shutter compressible ARW is jerkily and not always framed right. Many of the birding groups are really not liking anyone with a shutter lately.

EBH

I agree. Lack of precapture is also a problem.

Strangely A7rV does not use full EVF resolution when taking photos. VI should improve this.

I shoot everything with A7rV. While I am perfectly ok, I feel there are considerably better cameras for fast paced photography. Based of specs, I would rather use A7V for birds and sport.


May 06, 2026 at 12:29 AM
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bwcolor wrote:
Ahhh..I understand that last sentence. The X2D and X2Dii are the reason(s) that I sold my A7Rv and A7CR. They are also behind the sale of my M11M. If I purchase the.A7Rvi, it is because of the fact that my wife was using the A7CR.. Ignoring many excellent film cameras, the X2Dii and the newer XCD lenses make up the most satisfying digital system that I’ve owned, but then again, I no longer shoot sports, nor fancy nice pictures of flying dinosaurs.

On paper A7RIVa-A7RV(I) are superior over Hasselblad or Fuji GFX, the reasons are size/weight, price, AF, and lens availability. There are dozens of high resolution lenses, also with high aperture option which is lacking on MF. My best specification kit was A7RV with 20G, 35GM, 50 1.2GM, 65 APO.
Ended up with GFX100RF (still have an A7RIVa 35GM and 65 APO but considering selling them because the lack of usage). The ironic reason was Sony's capability, I wanted to shoot every scenario, lot of action shoots of my kids, chasing the best possible moments. And Sony kept serving perfectly, over 95% eye tracking accuracy, sticking AF points, tracking with perfectly in focus. I relied on GM's separation ability as I didn't have to care about composition, background. In time when you grow with your system at least starting to aware about lighting even if the shallow DOF handle the composition. I've became look like a professional, and also started to feel myself as a professional. Not the artist like, but as the workhorse wedding/event shooter. Selecting hundreds of identical look shots wasn't fun anymore, but time consuming work, unless it wasn't a paying job. I felt myself ridiculous chasing my kids with a huge setup, constant lens swapping, the decision which GM is the most suitable at the moment.
I didn't start photography with professional grade setup, just slowly upgraded over years, I love gear, I love experimenting with different lenses, cameras. I don't regret the route, and the invested funds at all.

Overall I wrote this litany about my personal experience as I totally get why are the upgrades to MF system from a perfect Sony. I have no experience with Hasselblad, but I can imagine it's more joy to use in certain expectations. Also sensor size still matters, I prefer GFX100RF output over Sony, even if I consider paired it with a far superior 50GM lens. I've never got bored with immerse of high resolution and high DR.
May 06, 2026 at 01:56 AM
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p.6 #19 · Sony A7RVI


EB-1 wrote:
The EVF of the a7rV is always behind the times, so even the 10 FPS physically shutter compressible ARW is jerkily and not always framed right. Many of the birding groups are really not liking anyone with a shutter lately.

EBH

Read the manual - if you want realtime evf then you must use H(7fps) not H+(10fps). Same applies to the A6700.

This camera has not competition when it comes to the combination of detail, DR and subject detection/AF performance. Those stacked sensor colours are just a little bit washed out by comparison imo.

https://duncangroenewald.com/pages/collections/2024-07-A7RM5.html
May 06, 2026 at 02:03 AM
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p.6 #20 · Sony A7RVI


Lukacs wrote:
Selecting hundreds of identical look shots wasn't fun anymore, but time consuming work


If you’re ending up with hundreds of nearly identical shots, your frame rate may be too high for the subject.

When I first started shooting with the 1D series after coming from film and lower end digital, I too found it easy to spray and pray too much.

Knowing when to use HI+ burst on the 1D series is a skill, and in 2026 knowing when to use 120fps / 60 / 30 / 15 / 10 / 5fps burst is also a skill that needs to be trained.

Lukacs wrote:
I felt myself ridiculous chasing my kids with a huge setup, constant lens swapping, the decision which GM is the most suitable at the moment.


Taking a practical perspective, when the light is good enough to use close to base ISO, then its time to think about switching to a zoom lens. In fact, for personal photography I usually only have one lens in the bag! I don't mind switching lenses per se, but I don't want to carry extra weight.

Lukacs wrote:
I wanted to shoot every scenario, lot of action shoots of my kids, chasing the best possible moments. .....
Also sensor size still matters, I prefer GFX100RF output over Sony, even if I consider paired it with a far superior 50GM lens.


Yes, a larger sensor size makes a huge difference for overall image quality. That said, for family photography we have to choose a trade-off between getting the shot in the first place and maximizing image quality.


  1. If my kid is doing some kind of sport or "action", I would choose the A9iii or similar camera every time
  2. If its a posed shot in good light (where base iso can be used) or with studio strobes then the medium format camera is going to be better.
  3. However in poor light its not so clear. I'm pretty sure my 24/1.4GM is a better bet over the GF30mmF3.5 R WR because the GM is quite a bit faster!



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